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late developments this the search for a 16-year-old girl who could be in they hands of a murderer and tearing down a house of horrors, three women held tortured year after year after year how cleveland comes to grips with it all as they try to exorcise the dee monday who lived next door. one couple opted for prayer
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over medicine and why did it take two dead children for the law to get serious? we begin with the breaking news. what could be a big development in the search for statewide, now nationwide for james dimaggio. the man we are about to show his picture on the screen. that's him. a young woman's life could be at stake. her mother is dead. now we are learning her brother might be, as well. now his car may have been spotted. dimaggio, who's believed to be driving a blue four-door nissan versa is wanted for murder in the killing of christina anderson whose body was found in his burned out home. authorities suspect he has her hannah and possibly 8-year-old ethan. other charred remains found at the house are consistent with those of a young boy. dimaggio was a friend of the family. last night, at a vigil, hannah and ethan's dad bret anderson made an emotional plea. >> this gentleman that was a friend of ours for a long time
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has taken everything. hannah will come back and ethan and tina i love you both. we all love you. and i know everybody is here for support of all three of them. i want to thank you all. god bless. >> you might imagine the story is unfolding fast. paul is joining us from san diego with the latest. the spotting of the vehicle. what do we know about this, paul? >> well, anderson, we know that oregon state authorities issued a statement saying, and they are hedging terms that first they believe the car was spotted near alturist, california in the northeast corner of the state and it was going northbound. then a second reported sighting of that vehicle in question that in lake view, oregon. an amber alert has now been issued in the state of oregon
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for the vehicle that they have been searching for for the past three days. >> do we know what time the vehicle was spotted? >> yes, we do. we understand in lake view, oregon, it was at 2:00 this afternoon and previous to that was the spotting in alturist, california, with the direction being northbound. that would be consistent the direction you would travel to get in to oregon and they say it could have gone toward nevada at that point, as well. >> i want to keep the pictures on the screen as much as possible in case anyone has seen either of these kids or the man believed to be holding at least one of them right now. are authorities concerned he may be trying to leave the country? >> well, they are concerned about him on a myriad of levels. number one, they say he is dangerous. they say they found weapons at his house. they will not confirm he is armed right now but he's a fugitive who's been awol for three days and in his past he
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has a misdemeanor conviction for fleeing a police officer in texas in 1995. they are extremely worried about him. right now he would be considered a colossal flight risk, even if he were arrested. therefore, when they issued a warrant for his arrest for the murder of the mother, they made sure attached to that would be a $1 million bond should he be taken in to custody. they just levelled one charge at him, a homicide. but likely to follow a second homicide charge, possibly kidnapping charges and arson charge and a cruelty to animals charge because anderson also burned in the fire was a dog. a whole host of charges against this man who they consider to be dangerous. >> as i said, the remains found in the house were consistent or other remains were consistent with those of an 8-year-old child. do we know much about the relationship between these this man and the family? i understand he was kind of
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life-long friends of -- or at least acquaintances of the family. >> no, it is friends, anderson. very strong relationship. possibly even best friends. they say that mr. dimaggio, jim dimaggio and the father had known each other more than 20 years. he knew the children since their births. in fact, the relationship was so close that they called him uncle. an extremely close relationship. what is being alleged here right now is absolutely the ultimate betrayal, anderson. >> it is horrible. paul, thank you again. breaking news, a vehicle has been spotted. another amber alert issued. let's dig deeper in to what may motivate someone to kidnap a child. we are joined by mary ellen o'toole and mark klaas, founder of the klaas kids foundation. he lost his daughter 20 years ago. when you saw hannah's dad
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deliver that message to her urging her to make a run for it if she was able to and got the chance. what went through your mind? it is an important message that he try to get to her and to the man believed to be holding her. >> sure. i think he did a tremendous job. first, he appeal directly to the kidnapper for his daughter and then gave her an action plan. i think it is important that people and she listen to this. she doesn't have to just wait around to be rescued. what she has to do is find ways to keep herself alive until that moment comes when she can extricate herself from the situation. that could take days, as it took my friend missy sanchez or years as it took the women up in cleveland earlier this year but she has to find a way to stay alive and then effect her escape when she has an opportunity. >> mary ellen, what's your gut tell you about this case, about this suspect? from your experience what causes someone to do something like this? >> well, there's a couple of
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things here. first, looking at the case based on the available information, the crime scene behavior itself appears to be impulsive and high risk. that would suggest to me that something occurred recently in terms that probably had something to do with hannah. and it may have made him feel like he wasn't going to see her again or that relationship was going to be cut off. that he saw the mother as the person that came between him and hannah. but the behavior itself on top of that is behavior that, again, doesn't indicate long-term planning. it was really a disorganized crime scene. now he's committed murder, arson, kidnapping and now he's probably the most wanted fugitive in the u.s. today. so his thinking is going to go downhill. it's going to debilitate because he's now having to come to grips
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with what he's done. so his paranoia is increasing and now he's realizing that there really is no turning back. the message really, if i were working on this case, the message would be, look, jim, what happened is horrible, but you have control of the situation because you can make a big difference in what happens to hannah and we know you care about her in your own way. you can control what happens to her by releasing her. >> you have no doubt that he is following this via the media? >> i really do think he is. it may not be via television, unless he has access to television. that's his only means to monitor the investigation. i believe very strongly he is monitoring any source of news that he can. >> so the message to him, which you are trying to get out, is what is done is done but he has control of this in term of what happens to hannah and he can start to make this right.
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>> he can start to make it right. it has snowballed. we may even be able to persuade him and i hope if he is listening we can that it did get out of control. we get that. right now there's one person and one person only who can start to bring it back under control and that's you, jim. by doing so, you need to pull off to a restaurant, let hannah go. pull off to the side of the road. let hannah go but you do have control over how this thing ends up. >> mark, you would second that. the bets scenario for him is to let this young girl go. >> well, there's no escape, anderson. if he's in that vehicle and he is, in fact, headed north on highway 5 which is what this sounds like he's not going to be able to get away with anything. so absolutely. let this young girl go. let the police find you or turn yourself in and do as mary ellen said start to make this thing right. >> mary ellen, you talked about
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the chaotic crime scene. the idea that someone would burn down their house, that seems to be an indication of kind of no way out, not going back. >> it does. there's multiple reasons we see that. another reason and maybe one of the primary reasons here could be to destroy evidence and by delaying identification of the victims' bodies he thought that would give him time and distance. the problem with that thinking, though is when you start a fire there are large flames the fire department is going to respond more quickly than if he quietly and secretly got away but he chose not to do that. so that would suggest to me based on that and other things that his thinking was much more impulsive and reckless and that kind of thinking will only deteriorate. >> i should -- paul vercammen
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said the lead on the vehicle did not pan out. that's bad news there. that was the first bit of an actual lead they had. i'm going to talk to the sheriff later on. mary ellen, you made an important point earlier. i want to go in to more depth on it. in stalking cases, often we focus on the person who's doing the stalking and their victim, the person they are focused on. there's often danger for a third party, for not necessarily the intended victim but somebody who is perceived as being in the way. >> there is. that's often overlooked as a dynamic. if the stalker believes that the intermediary person, the person in the middle will come between him and the object of his affections, no matter how warped they are, then that person in the middle could be in danger. >> we have seen the death of this young girl's mother. again, we don't know -- i don't want to speculate.
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we don't know what the situation is that led to all of this or why he has taken this young girl allegedly. there's a lot more left to know. mark, when you see a case like this, what is the message that parents out there, that everybody should just take away from this? >> well, this is not about strangers. so many times in my career as a child advocate i have run in to these cases where the evil uncle billy or the evil uncle jim who's lurking in the background is the one that in fact goes after the child and creates the chaos and the mayhem and often times the murder. therefore we shouldn't talk to our kids about strangers. we should be talking to our kids about making correct sdangs if something feels bad they need to put distance between themselves and whatever that is and this is indicated in that case and tell a trusted adult what's going on so they can intervene and try to make things right. >> mark klaas, appreciate you being on.
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mary ellen o'toole, as well and we began just 12 minutes ago with optimistic news, breaking news that a vehicle had been spotted and an amber alert had been issued. the vehicle believed to match the description of the suspect. now paul vercammen talking to the sheriff saying the lead has not panned out. that's a setback for this case. authorities have very much wanting the public's help in this appealing to anybody out there who's seen mr. dimaggio or hannah to call 911, to call operators. that is the suspect jim dimaggio right there, believed to be -- believed to have with him this girl, hannah. possibly a young boy, 8-year-old, her brother, but again remains were also found in the house earlier and dna is being tested on that on those remains. let us know what you think. follow me on twitter @anderson
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at our ten top hotel brands. travel is calling you to hiltongreatgetaways.com. the search for 16-year-old hannah anderson, possibly her brother ethan and the alleged killer james dimaggio who may have one or both children with him. a car was spotted and might have been the suspects but moments later the report was dialed
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back. paul vercammen is monitoring the developments and is joining us now. authorities are saying from what we talked to the sheriff that that vehicle is not the suspect's vehicle, is that correct? >> they have dialed back. this lead frankly did not pan out. that despite oregon authorities and they did hedge saying possibly a sighting in northern california and believed a possible sighting across the border in oregon. but they said the lead did not pan out. as you can imagine, everyone here on pins and needles. there's a sense of urgency here. this is a desperate search. they do believe, as we stated earlier, that jim dimaggio is a dangerous fugitive. >> appreciate the update. a short time ago, before we went to air, i spoke to the san diego county sheriff, bill gore whose office is spear heading the investigation. sheriff, what's the latest? do you have any idea where james dimaggio might be right now? >> no. we don't have a lot of clues in
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this case so far, anderson. that's why we are asking for the public's help and we appreciate your efforts in getting the word out. we need all of the eyes and ears we can get in trying to find both dimaggio and hopefully the two kids and bring them back to san diego county safe and sound. >> there have been guidance that he might be in texas and report in canada, but right now there's no information pointing to that, correct. >> no. we have no real good leads that take them any particular place. that's why we are trying to solicit help from anybody, anywhere that might see this car or the individuals involved. >> i know the remains found in the house were consistent with those of an 8-year-old. have the results of the dna testing come back? >> no. we expect those to come back hopefully in the next day or two. but they are of a small child. we are hoping that ethan is still out there with hannah and they will be returned, but we just don't know at this point in time. >> do you know anything about
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james dimaggio's connection to the family? >> well, you know, there's -- we talked to bret anderson, the father of the two girls an the ex-husband of christina and this is a life-long friend of theirs. they know him very well and if you saw his appeal last night. he said, jim you have taken away so much already. just please bring my daughter back to me. so that's our plea also. let's not make this worse than it already is and we are asking everybody to keep their eyes open and maybe bring this little girl back to her father. >> i read that a family friend said that dimaggio had feelings for her, a crush on the 16-year-old daughter hannah. do you have any information about that? >> well, we are talking to her classmates and we are developing certain stories. we just don't know. there's a lot of speculation right now. we don't want to go too far out on a limb, one direction or the other. we know they were life-long
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friends. and we're not exactly sure what that relationship was. we don't know if hannah is with him willingly or not. we just don't know right now. that's why we use the national emergency alert system is to try to get all of the people out there looking for this couple, whether they are in this state or another state. >> i want to put james dimaggio's picture up on the screen again. if anyone sees this man, what should they do? >> well, don't try to stop him. obviously, we suspect him in at least one murder, two murders already. if they see him, please try to be observant. get all of the information you can and call 911. police will be there hopefully as soon as they possibly can to take the appropriate action. they should not, citizens should not try to interfere with this person at all. he's already proven he's pretty dangerous fella. >> bill gore, appreciate your
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time. >> anderson, appreciate your help on this matter. coming up, was it a terrorist conference that triggered america's global letter? we will talk about this next. and for 11 years michelle knight was held captive in ariel castro's house and she returned to the scene when the house was torn down. and they say hasan is trying to get the death penalty. why the proceedings came to a halt today. mine was earned in djibouti, africa. 2004.
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president obama credited the marines for taking down osama bin laden and he had a warning about the dangers out there. >> al qaeda affiliates and like-minded extremists still threaten our homeland, still threaten our diplomatic facilities, still threaten our businesses abroad. we have to take these threats seriously. >> the signs of the threat triggered a global terror alert an the basis for it. what got everyone so worked up? eli lake and josh row gan believe they know. their daily beast article is headed al qaeda conference call intercepted by u.s. officials sparked alerts. some kind of conference call that one intelligence official described it this way, like the meeting of he legion of doom. we are joined by fran townsend.
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she serves on the dhs and security advisory boards. i know you can only say so much because you want to protect sources and are concerned about balancing your reporting with national security. cnn has spoken to a number of sources tell, as well as terrorism experts who say that 20-plus leaders of al qaeda communicating with each other at the same time on a conference call would be a big departure and specifically al al-zawahri operate. >> sure. this intercept of a communication was first reported by mcclatchy. what we did is flush out the details of that dmun case and we learned this included groups ranging from north africa to southeast asia to you name it. what some officials have said on background to reporters today is they took issue with the use of the term conference call. it is important to note we withheld many details of how al qaeda pulled off this communication at the request of
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our sources. what i am willing to share it is not a phone call that al qaeda went to extensive means to set up a virtual meeting space. rather not go in to more detail than that and took extensive measures to provide an environment for this meeting that they felt was secure. of course the u.s. intelligence community was able to crack that security and i guess that's a credit to them in this. >> any idea why al-zawahiri would take a chance on communicating like this. we had a terrorism expert on and said you could look at it as a sign of desperation that it is reaching to affiliates saying do something. >> what we know is al qaeda's leadership in pakistan uses various methods to communicate with affiliates. they use couriers, thumb drives, all sorts of things and we know that conference calls have happened periodically throughout the years. this is something they believed
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was secure and in this case it wasn't secure. this is sort of a meeting of all of the representatives to sort of cover a bunch of broad issues. in a sense they took a risk and it backfired but that's not to say it is unusual for them because of course that is exactly what they, the u.s. intelligence community are doing every day, playing a game of cat and mouse where they set up interactions and the intelligence communities tries to intercept those interactions. i would quickly say that it doesn't necessarily indicate that al qaeda is desperate. it may indicate that al qaeda is actually more 0 cohesive and working more on a top down leadership structure and more organized fashion than we previously realized. >> when you are using the term conference call you are not literally meaning a conference call. >> right. again, we are not saying whether it was phone call, video, internet, voice, data, whatever. the bottom line is consider it a virtual meeting space.
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it was not a phone call. this was an environment that al qaeda's leadership set up that other people could plug in to and again, they went to extensive lengths to try to make sure it was secure. in this case they seemed to have failed. >> what's your take on this, fran? >> it is counterintuitive to the operational security of al qaeda. there's a lot of ways of communicating. we know there are a number of things that triggered the alert. czar al al-zawahri issued a letter and appointed the head of al qaeda as his number two. there is a series of things. why you would have needed in addition to that to pull them together. they understand very well the u.s. government and our allies ability to target their location using their communications.
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so to give the u.s. intelligence community the opportunity to target people across the world, not just between pakistan and yemen, but around the world and locate them would have been a dangerous thing. it's not clear to me why that would have been necessary for them to take that risk. >> josh, there have been some reporters frankly i've seen raise the question is it possible that some of your sources were using you to either justify the nsa coverage of the nsa program or to kind of obscure human intelligence, assets and saying it was signals intelligence. >> sure. first to fran's point. it is true it is one of many threat streams and one piece of information in a broad mosaic of a collection that the u.s. intelligence community is engaged in on a regular basis but the meeting was significant according to officials and reports in the "new york times" mcclatchy and other outlets because it is where the vague discussion of impending attack was discussed.
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if you look at the embassy closings around this world it largely matches the people who were on the call according to to our reporting. you can understand why the u.s. government took a broad brush aproechl as for it being their motivations in taking the risk, i can't speak to that. i would say some communications they hold closely. some they take risk on. this seems to be a risk they didn't take as far as other reporters linking it to the nsa and snowden and what have you. it is important to point out the programs disclosed by snowden are not related to this communication, this intercept. they are about collecting information domestically and it is not really connected. i think some people maybe were -- where there isn't a strong connection. >> how long do you see the embassies being closed for. there have been drone strikes.
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we don't know who was hit. >> you are seeing drone strikes. the one person that is key to this is the bomb maker in yemen. >> who has not been found as far as we know. >> as far as we know. i think he is one of the keys to the feeling they have deflated this threat. they will look to take out enough operational capability it knocks the legs out from this before they are comfortable reopening the embassies. that makes sense to me. there's a number of other things besides drone strikes that will be going on, cia and u.s. intelligence will be working with foreign allies around the world, doing searches, trying to arrest people and all of those things will take place until they feel they deflated the threat. >> good to have you on. josh, thank you sch for being on the program. isha is here with the 360 bulletin. >> the house in cleveland where ariel castro held three women captive was torn down today.
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michelle knight released balloons before the demolition. she wanted to remind families of other abducted children that there is always hope. the court marshall of nadal hassan is on hold. he is representing himself and has defense lawyers to help him. those lawyers say hasan wants to be sentenced to death. president obama has schedule cancelled talks with putin. 360 follow the two young boys in canada who were apparently killed by a 100-pound python died from asphyxiation. they were found dead monday morning. so very sad. >> indeed. thank you very much. appreciate it. just ahead, they chose prayer over medical care for their children. not once but twice.
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philadelphia judge today refused to dismiss murder charges against a fundamentalist christian couple whose infant son died from pneumonia. when their baby got sick in april, they didn't call a doctor or seek any medical treatment. they prayed this case would be tragic if the facts ended there but they don't. this is not the first time they have been charged in the death of one of their children. they have relied on faith healing before with disastrous results. here's gary tuchman. >> at this north philadelphia cemetery, most of the graves are marked but not this spot where two small children are buried. two children who would be alive today, say authorities, if their parents gave them medical care. they are charged with third degree murder following the death of their 8-month-old son brandon this spring.
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>> instead of caring and nurturing him, they ultimately caused his death by praying over his body instead of taking him to the doctor. >> reporter: and unbelievably this isn't the first time this happened to the couple. in 2009, their 2-year-old son kent died. the parents did not seek medical care to treat him. >> i tried the previous case two and a half years ago and the circumstances are eerily similar. >> reporter: in the first case they were found guilty of involuntary manslaughter in the death of kent. the prosecutor asked for prison time but the judge opted for probation and allowed them to move back to their home with their seven other children. the judge ordered them to seek medical care for children in the future. jo ann prosecuted the case back then and will prosecute this case as well. >> when the judge gave probation you must have been upset. >> i was and i felt they didn't get it and weren't going to get
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it and here we are two and a half years later and another child is dead and they still don't get it. >> which is why they have been charged with third degree murder this time around for the death of their baby brandon. so what's with these parents? authorities point to philadelphia's first century gospel church where they belong. a church that declares ir their trust in god alone for physical healing. they list core philosophies in its website. relevant to this case is one belief i will quote in part. if we are trusted in pill, prescription or medication, satan is able to hinder our victory from god. >> reporter: why is this type of faith healing preached? we wanted to talk to the church's pastors. >> i'm gary tuchman with cnn. >> the daughter of the chief pastor said he did not want to speak with us. >> how are you, is the wife home. >> the wife of the assistant pastor said the same thing. her better is in jail but
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catherine has been released to live with her parents. the remaining children are in state custody. >> do you feel you did right by god. >> no comment. >> this is herberth. he is a stand up guy. >> a controversial characterization. we wanted to show you pictures of their boys. the lawyers on both sides say they don't know of any pictures of them in life. all they have are their autopsy photos taken shortly before they were buried in unmarked graves. >> a lot of people say you have no love for your children because you have let two children die without medical help. >> gary tuchman is joining us live from philadelphia. this is so upsetting. how did it play out in court today? >> in pennsylvania you have to have evidence of malice to
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charge third degree murder. in the courthouse the two attorneys for the husband and wife said there is no malice and no third degree murder charge but the judge said this isn't even a close case. he pointed out the case of the first son that they basically thumbed their nose at the law and said the third degree murder charges will stand and they possibility of 20 to 40 years in prison if found guilty. >> were they in court together? they were in court together. she was sitting in the back when she walked in and he looked around and smiled at her. the father was next to her and he smiled at his son-in-law. very strange and horrible situation. >> they have other children, all the other children are in foster care? >> seven other children are in the foster care system right now. that reassures a lot of people that those children are no longer with those parents. >> appreciate the reporting.
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joining us is the head of medical ethics. and attorney children's advocate. keeping them honest. it is hard not to get furious when you hear the case. people are entitled to religious believes. parents do not get a religious exemption that gives them the right to neglect their children, do they? >> the classic phrase, anderson is you can make a martyrer of yourself. you can't make a martyrer of your children for religious believes. so they do not get a pass. there are a couple of exceptions. one interesting one. we allow parents to say i'm not going to vaccinate my child. we have built it in. the difference here is you can't say no to therapy. if there is a proven, established therapy, insulin for diabetes, antibiotics for what this poor child had then the state steps in and says you must treat, no exception. >> so just some antibiotics would have saved this child's life? >> would have saved the child's
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life. when you get a case like this, when you are in the hospital, you want to appeal a refusal of a parent to approve care. you go to the judge and what they will look at is do you have a history of proven efficacy with this treatment. can you say it is likely to work. if you can hit that standard and the antibiotics would have done it here you will get a court order that allows you to override and i'm sure the judge is horrified these parents agreed to use medicine and didn't do it. >> it is hard to believe that this could have happened twice. the prosecutor in the first case, inspect she said she knew this would happen again. did the system fail here? >> absolutely, understand anderson. >> it did. >> there's two problems. >> i'm sorry. >> we have these kids placed in a home with parents who had already proven they were not going to give their children medical care. we have weird exception laws in states like pennsylvania that say faith healing is an exception to giving your
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children care but not when there is bodily harm or potential for death, like this this case. ihink the child protective services, court system, everyone failed these children and it's a shame we are looking at the death of a second child when the courts had an opportunity to take a proactive stance and remove them in the first instance and avoid the death of the second child. >> areva, if they are known as caring, loving parents without malice, won't it be hard to prove a third degree murder charge, to prove they intentionally killed their children? >> i take exception to this characterization of caring, loving parents. they went through in the first time. they were on probation for ten years. they agreed. they stood before the death of the court with their first child and said if any of our other children get sick we will seek medical care. they ignored the orders of the court from the first case that said you can not ignore medical treatment that your kids need. i don't think there is any issue
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about whether they intended to kill their child. they knew. there's going to be testimony in this case, anderson, from the assistant pastor where he told them to call their probation officer. a parentally the dad said if i do they are going to intervene. somehow i'm going against my faith, going against god. i don't think there is any reservation in anybody's mind that these people knew what they were doing. they were taking a calculated risk in that this child could die from not seeking medical care. >> i heard you see cases like this all the time, is that really true? >> you do see them. i don't want top suggest they are common but they do some come up. some people don't want to treat on religious grounds or want alternative medicine. we see prosecutors are unwilling to be tough on the first death. that's leads to these problems. child social services, anderson, in a city like philly they are overwhelmed they can barely keep up with the harm people are
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doing directly to kids much less monitor a family like this. we do see them. you have to be tough with them and insistent that this is child abuse and child in the glekt. you can do what you want as an adult with your religious believes. you can't sacrifice your child in this way. >> can i just say one point, anderson about the first amendment and constitution often comes up in these arguments and there is tension between the parent's right to raise their child and a state's right to take action. what about the rights of the children? parents have their right but children have the right to be safe and protected from this kind of harm. >> good to have you on. just ahead, new developments and information after several somewhat conflicting reports in the search for hannah anderson, possibly the brother and new updates and details ahead.
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new information in the search for hannah anderson and possibly her brother ethan and the alleged killer dimaggio who may have one or both children with him. there is action being taken further north in oregon. paul vercammen is working the story. a lot of conflicting reports. what are you learning now? >> well, in a story that's already had absolutely so many bizarre twists, now we have what seems to be duelling agencies here. there have been two separate agencies who are checking out, and again they hedged this, what they believe are possible sightings of the car. that dimaggio was driving that is at the center of the amber alert. in modock county, in extreme northeastern california no less than the undersheriff has said
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that a business owner wrote down a license plate number of the versa of that matched the license plate of dimaggio's car and the under sheriff told cnn this is from a very credible source. again a business owner and there's surveillance video in the area. now they have gone in to neighboring oregon and they are looking at these leads suggesting that dimaggio was traveling north in the car anderson. >> earlier, san diego sheriff said those leads weren't panning out. now what you are hearing from a sheriff in a different county is they are taking the leads seriously and search nrg vehicle? >> exactly. all the while we are now not hearing anything from the san diego county sheriff. we are trying to run that down. of course we pressed hard to talk to them, but modock county in northeastern california and oregon state officials both saying they are taking this lead
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seriously and thoroughly checking it out. >> this is a nissan versa they are looking for. paul vercammen. appreciate the update. isha is back with the 360 bulletin. >> the railway company whose run away train killed 40 people in quebec last month filed for bankruptcy in the u.s. and can d.a. the unmanned 73-car train exploded after slamming in to commercial center. no relief in south central missouri where flooding prompted a state of emergency. more 100 homes as more rain soaked the region. yahoo will unveil a new logo next month. the first redesign in two decades. until then it is being coy. the next 30 days it will display a different version of the updated logo on its home page. anderson, a plywood box is shoved out of a plane at 14,000 feet with escape artist tony martin chained inside. it took him just 30 seconds to
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